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Our Perspective guests are two anthropologists who are challenging established critical thinking that violence, oppression and inequality are the natural order of things. They criticise the well-established work of professors like Steven Pinker, Jared Diamond, Yuval Noah Harari and Jordan Peterson – claiming that their views on male dominance being the natural order are “fantasy posing as science”. Their new book “Why Men” is their riposte, and uses parables of the toilet frog and the life of baboons to back up their theory. Nancy Lindisfarne and Jonathan Neale speak to FRANCE 24’s Gavin Lee.